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				<title>Re: GA INCIDENTS (general discussion)</title>
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				<title>Re: Traffic occurrence</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2021 05:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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				<title>Wrong call from other aircraft.</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>During my IFR flight in Indonesia i was departing from Biak airport in Jayapura. The weather was marginal but it was still ok to continue the flight. The METAR on that day was cloud BKN at 1500 feet and visibility about 4 KM. The aerodrome is surround by terrain, so there is no publish instrument departure, i have to make a visual departure. At that time i can still see that the weather towards my destination was clear, however there is some CB cloud developing. I decide to line up, but before that i brief myself if i could not maintain visual reference in relative to the terrain, i will fly overhead the tower and fly below the cloud until i got out from terrain surrounding it. I was ready for line up and i took off.</p> <p>As soon as i took off at 1200 feet i was about to enter a cloud, so i decide to remain visual and request early right turn then fly overhead the aerodrome, the tower approved me to turn right, however there is other traffic incoming for an instrument approach. That traffic establish contact with tower and was saying that he was at long final. The radio call was &quot;Biak tower, Papa kilo whiskey (PKW), establish NDB approach long final seven thousand feet.. uuummmmm.. seven thousand..uuummm seven hundread feet&quot;. than the tower reply &quot;Papa kilo whiskey you are clear for NDB approach, report when visual&quot; then he replied &quot;Wilco, papa kilo whiskey &quot;</p> <p>From that radio call i assume that he is at long final, at an altitude of seven thousand seven hundred feet and i believe that the tower is also assuming that he is at long final 7700 feet. So it is safe for me to fly overhead the aerodrome at 1000 feet. At that time, there is a cloud at about same level as me and i requested to fly low to avoid that cloud then i descend through 500 feet. As i descending, suddenly the incoming aircraft was already at 700 feet, we are only 200 feet separation so i avoid the traffic and i could hear the tower was shouting at me saying &quot;alpha mike bravo, have you got your traffic in sight..???!!!&quot; and i replied &quot; traffic insight alpha mike bravo..!!&quot; then i pull up and i thought i nearly collide with that aircraft, but i wasn't, i can avoid him and continue with the flight, but then the tower was so angry with that aircraft why is he saying that he is at long final 7000 feet instead of final 700 feet. That aircraft was maintaining MDA since he got to final until he flew overhead the aerodrome. The tower had no radar so he can only make separation according to the aircraft position reporting. After i land safely at my destination, i heard the pilot of PKW was writing an incident report and investigate him of what happen at that time, i also have to write some report about that incident.</p> <p>From the lesson I've learned the effective communication between me, the tower and that aircraft was not so effective, the tower was not aware of our separation and also the other aircraft was using non standard radio call phraseology, he should have said &quot;Papa kilo whiskey is at long final seven thousand feet, correction final 700 feet&quot; saying &quot;uuummmm.. will make everyone confuse and from that words could lead to potential accident.</p> 
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				<title>What doesn&#039;t kill us makes us stronger!</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 04:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This account relates to a PPL on a private flight between two north island airports in the mid 90's. The PPL was conducting the cross country flight in a Cessna 152. He was the only person on board. The flight would normally only take about an hour in normal weather conditions and routing. There are no major airspace restrictions when conducting the flight VFR if traveling in a straight line (apart from the departure and arrival airport control zones). As it was, the weather was near perfect with little to no wind component to be mindful of. What could be more enjoyable?</p> <p>The pilot quickly went over his pre flight checks and taxied out to the runway where he gained clearance for take off. Everything was going well for him and he cleared the zone to the north on track to his destination. Approximately 20 - 25 minutes into the flight the pilot noticed a problem. It was a major problem and had the potential to kill him. At about that time into the flight the pilot noticed that the engine began to cut out intermittently. To his horror he realised that he was out of fuel!! At that point in time his limited training kicked in and he began looking for a suitable location to land. This served him well in that the engine cut out and the propeller windmilled. He began his forced landing technique and put out a mayday call.</p> <p>From this point on, the pilot did everything seemingly perfectly. He successfully landed his aircraft and walked away uninjured. The matter was dealt with by the authorities in the correct manner.</p> <p>So what caused this to happen? Employing Reasons 'Swiss Cheese' model, it is obvious that the active cause was a lack of preflight checking by the pilot. He should have included a basic fuel tank check. Clearly if he had done so he would have noticed that there was insufficient fuel to conduct the flight lawfully and safely. Going further back to the latent causes, it was apparent that fatigue had no part to play in this incident. The pilot had had enough sleep prior to the flight. What was not so apparent, but came out when he spoke to associates later, was that he had a social appointment at the destination once he arrived. He was very keen to meet up with his girl friend of the time. He had been told that there was enough fuel in the aircraft by a staff member. Unfortunately the staff member was talking about another aircraft entirely.</p> <p>The cause was deemed to be the absence of a preflight check by the pilot&#8230; rightly so in my humble opinion.</p> <p>Expertise and awareness (or situational awareness) are the two elements that make up competence. Obviously like any equation, any increase in either of the two elements corresponds to an increase in competence. Awareness is managed by communication. In respect to this incident, there are concerns as to the competence of the pilot that day as his situational awareness was poor. He relied on communication from a staff member without double checking it to be true (in terms of the fuel in the tanks). It could also be argued that the pilot has limited expertise as his experience levels were low at the time (just over 100 hours total flight time). With these two elements being adversely affected, is it any wonder this incident occurred? His competence was reduced before he even took off.</p> <p>Managers of general aviation organisations (and others) must continually assess the situation around them. They must ensure that the people hiring their aircraft are sufficiently qualified, fit, and aware to do so. This incident ended fortunately in that nobody was injured or killed. The aircraft was even relatively undamaged. The basics of airmanship were not considered in this case by the pilot and he is lucky to be alive as a result. Nothing substitutes time taken to conduct checks properly.</p> <p>It is true that what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. I have every bit of respect for the pilot as a person and friend. He has learned some tough lessons directly through personal experience, however he has perhaps taught us all a lesson by his mistake that day. It sounds like such an incredible thing to forget, but it can happen. This pilot I am happy to say has gone on to complete his CPL/MEIR (Single pilot) and is now a captain in a major European airline. He is stronger for the experience, and so am I!</p> 
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				<title>Do not force yourself to proceed to destination on bad weather.</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 07:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This was a cross country flight done in Indonesia. I plan my flight the night before the flight, i study the approach chart and the en route chart. I was trying to gather all the relevant information about the flight. The MSA for the route was 2500 feet, then i plan the flight altitude 3000 feet.</p> <p>On the day, the weather was fine, the cloud was SCT at 3500 only the visibility is a bit of an issue due to hazy weather. I took off and the flight went well, i did a couple of landing and drop of some freight. On the way back, the weather got worse, hence i decide to proceed to an IFR flight, however the traffic was busy, i requested to the controller to climb up to 5000 feet, they said negative due to traffic i had to stay at an altitude of 2000 feet. Therefore i cannot proceed IFR, i cannot get above MSA and radio reception for my navigation instrument was out of range. Hence i stay on VFR flight.</p> <p>The controller told me to maintain altitude and track, then i was cross checking with my VFR map, the MSA was not that high, so i suppose i can be safe if i maintain terrain clearance visually at 2000 feet. However the visibility got below VFR minima, then i was planning for plan B, i ask my self shall i continue or turn back..? but i look on the map, i have pass my point of no return then base on that information i decide to continue with the flight. Beside that the fuel also very limited, i did not get to refuel because the facility was broken. About 15 minutes prior to arrival, my visibility got below 5km and it was very frustrated, cockpit management become clutter, information processing start to decrease and situational awareness is reducing as well, i keep thinking of the limited fuel and stuck in a very bad weather, this affect my decision making. Then suddenly i saw a straight line on the distance, it has light on it then as i approach closer to the object i realize it got bigger and bigger, and i was doing a steep turn to the right to avoid the obstacle, it was a huge power line, i almost crashed into the power line. Lucky enough for me to react quickly of not keep eye balling to the object that gets closer and closer. I think it was a very frightening flight experience of nearly colliding with the power line. Hence i try to be more focus and increase the stress level, also increase my situational awareness, i try to map read and pin point my position on the map and find out the highest obstacle surrounding my routes and get help from the ATC to give me Radar vector. I manage to land safely, but it was a bad decision making to actually continue with the flight and forcing my self into danger situation.</p> <p>From this experience, the lesson i learn is never force yourself to continue to destination if the weather is so bad on the arrival phase. It is better to divert or turn back, or maybe do a precautionary landing if fuel is insufficient. What i was thinking on that flight was, i did not want to turn back because i think the fuel was not sufficient and the distance was very close to my destination, so i can not be bothered to turn back i better finish up my last leg of flight, but it was a very bad decision making. High experience and become expert on the flight, expert on predicting the weather, expert with cockpit management, and managing the flight is very important for every aviator to ensure a safety flight.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Trial flights take off, over rotate.</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 04:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hi, Massey do not offer trial flight on regular basis. I am just saying I have been to one few years ago and I know few other people who have been on one. To find out I will request that interested person to ring Massey ops and find it out.</p> <p>Cheers</p> 
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				<title>Re: Trial flights take off, over rotate.</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hi there:</p> <p>Thanks for reading my post. You might be correct about Massey offering trial flight these days. Is is just during the time I was there, I have never seen any trial flight customers, therefore I have assumed they are still not doing it.</p> <p>I did mean my instruction was not fully understood by the student, because he did have trouble to understand me. Therefore I think it was important to my story.</p> <p>Thanks again for reading my post.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Trial flights take off, over rotate.</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>&quot;&quot;Unlike the Massey and CTC structure, local aeroclubs and flight schools have trial flights for customers that is only interested in the senary&quot;&quot;<br /> Well Massey have offered trial flight for many people. It do not offer flights every day to people but I was one of them who went to trial flight with Massey. So people out there especially who is keen on wanting to join Massey ask some one if they can give you a trial flight. It is wrong statement that Massey do not offer trial flight.</p> <p>&quot;&quot;the first time forgien student<br /> The student was from an other country with English was not the first language&quot;&quot;</p> <p>I don't know how above statement &quot; foreign student, english was not the first language&quot; is relevant to your story at all. Do you mean he did not understand your instruction and over rotated aircraft?</p> <p>good story though about complacency</p> 
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				<title>Engine run ups considerations</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 02:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><em>[In behalf of <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/yu-song" ><img class="small" src="http://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=541094&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1697012298" alt="Yu Song" style="background-image:url(http://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=541094)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/yu-song" >Yu Song</a></span>, originally posted on 18 August 2010 under the category &quot;Good GA airmanship&quot;.]</em></p> <p>During my time in GA, I worked for a company operating twin piston engine aircafts. according to the company procedures, run ups should be done if the aircraft is parked for more than a few hours.</p> <p>During my ab-initial training, the run ups were alway done at the corner of the airfield, face into wind. And during my line training with the company, because I was already a pilot, therefore common sense was up to us to find a suitable place for it. And after flying from the same airfield everyday, I have seen what others been doing and pretty much followed the more experienced pilots and picked the same spot.</p> <p>On that particular day, I did the same as all previous runups taxied the aircraft once the engines were warm, to the corner of the tarmac, facing in to wind. the corner of the tarmac from my understanding is far enough from all hangers and buildings, and also far enough from the edge of the grass so the engines wont suck in any FOD. I runned them up at different power settings, cycled the props, and as I completed the checklist, I turn the aircraft around, and saw an airliner was boarding passengers, with the ground staff looking at me very carefully. Then I realised what I have done.</p> <p>I did not take others into consideration, especially the boarding airliners behind my aircraft, all the noise and prop wash went straight to the passengers.</p> <p>We all leant during our training that runups are to check if the engines are healthy or not, the areas chosen are more to protect the aircraft not running into buildings, hangers. And I have never thought about other parties on the apron area, thought about leave enough room for the other aircraft to start up and still be able to taxi behind me, but never thought about how my engine runs would effect their operations.</p> <p>The fault was on me, and I was also told off by a local pilot straight after the event, and as I have leant, which is not written down anywhere: a good airman ship should be demonstrated from my part, to look after everything around me, not just my own engines.</p> <p>Lesson learnt and thought might as well pass on to other GA pilots, because the last thing you want to do is get on the wrong foot of other operators.</p> 
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				<title>Trial flights take off, over rotate. </title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>During my time as a flight instructor, I have conducted hundreds of lessons and sorties. Unlike the Massey and CTC structure, local aeroclubs and flight schools have trial flights for customers that is only interested in the senary. I have done many trial flights for varies people at varies ages, and after a while, as an instructor, I sort of know what kind of performance and satisfaction I could expect from the trainee pilots.</p> <p>That flight I took was the 3rd flight of the day. The student was from an other country with English was not the first language. Normally I let students do the take off, where I use my feet on the rudders to keep the aircraft straight, and as the airspeed gets higher, I would ask the student to gentally pull back on the control column, with my hand ready to ease back on the pressure as well if the student does not do so. Once again, normally I would help the students to rotate the aircaft, as they all a bit worried to have any control input during the trial flight.</p> <p>This time, as I instructed to ease back on the control collumn, with my hand ready to help the rotate, the student suddenly pulled on the controls, the aircraft zoom into the sky with airspeed around 60 knots. This was not what I expected and definitely I have never encountered before. As the aircraft was already at full power for take off, with this sudden high nose attitude at low speed, I quickly changed my hand from helping to rotate to push the control forward, so to prevent the aircraft going into a stall.</p> <p>As I was pushing forward, the first time forgien student must flet my pressure and continued pulling really hard to break out of my control. I started talking him through to release pressure and set the aircraft nose to a normal climb, while I was helping to avoid the aircraft stalling with my hand pushing on the controls.</p> <p>This all happend in a matter of seconds and all no more than 50 feet above ground level. I was a little shaky after that, however, trying not to show any signs of anger or stress to the first time student just wanting to enjoy the ride.</p> <p>Complacency of my part probably caused this incident, as this flight was the 3rd flight of the day, with previous flights include preflight briefing, debriefing and paper work, I was ready to just talk through a trial flight without any drama. Trial flights are the easiest flights to do as an instructor, normally end up with great customer satisfaction and feed back, rather than a lesson that has to be constructive with objectives and student progression.</p> <p>Since then, I have been extremely caucious about all take offs, with my hand at a different position, in case of me taking over control, no matter is pulling back or pushing forward on the control collumn. Take off phase is just as important as landing, and just as dangerours, when this close to the ground. Therefore I can not be careless.</p> <p>Lesson learnt, and it had never happened again.</p> 
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				<title>Stationery and Aerobatics dont mix</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This incident happened 5 years ago at a well known flight school and was related to me by my Cheif Flight Instructor during a student meeting last week.</p> <p>A recreational GA pilot had rented a Robin from a flying school in Tauranga and was practicing aerobatics manoeuvres at a nearby training area. Whilst performing aerobatics at 5000 feet, the pilot suddenly found the controls to be completely locked, unable to control pitch and roll. This caused the pilot to enter a dangerous spin. The pilot managed to forcefully regain full and free motion of the control column and recover from the spin at 1000 feet agl.</p> <p>After much investigation, a bent metal-cased pen was found on the floorboard of the aircraft and identified to have been the main cause of the mysterious locking of the controls. Whilst performing aerobatics, it was believed that the pen had managed to find it way under the dash (instrument panel) and wedge itself between the chain/cable that connects the control column with the ailerons and elevators.</p> <p>Many students still do not understand the need to keep the interior of an aircraft clean, leaving all sorts of litter especially writing material and other stationery. This incident is clearly a good example of how a harmless pen could have cost an aerobat pilot his life.</p> <p>I personally keep my pens and pencils clipped onto my clipboard during flight. I feel it is important for flight training institutions to make it a policy rather than simply 'good practice' to keep or remove all lose objects in the aircraft especially away from the control column.</p> 
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				<title>Airforce Fly-bys</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>A routine flight during “C” Category Flight Instructor training was being conducted in the Manawatu River Mouth- Hokio beach training area, south of Palmerston North (specified in the Memorandum of Understanding). The Cherokee aircraft was at an altitude of 1500ft and airspeed of approx 113kts when an air force Air Macchi (jet aircraft) passed by in the same direction, in close proximity, level and at double the speed. Radio calls were made prior and after the near miss on the Common Frequency Zone station, however there were no radio calls made by the air force aircraft at any time. Although radio calls are not legally required, a good display of airmanship is making regular position reports. A short time after the near miss, the Air Macchi was spotted at a distance from the Cherokee heading towards it. Although the Cherokee made a heading change away from the Air Macchi, the air force aircraft did another fly-by in very close proximity to the Cherokee.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Busting Airspace on PPL Nav Check</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Sorry this post was supposed to be in the ab-initio incidents&#8230;</p> 
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				<title>Busting Airspace on PPL Nav Check</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>My PPL Navigation Flight Test route was from PM to NS via the Marlborough sounds. After a practiced forced landing from an altitude of 6000ft into one of the northern bays (Port Gore), I continued to track towards NS along the coastline at an altitude of 3000ft. At Cape Soucis reporting point (approximately 22nm NE of NS) I made a radio call to NS Tower reporting my position, altitude and intentions including a request to enter control airspace and join for runway 20. NS tower instructed me to make a radio call at Pepin Island reporting point (approximately 13nm NE of NS). Between 15nm and 25nm the Class G airspace (which I was operating within) upper limit is 3500ft. At 15nm from NS the Class G airspace upper limit drops to 2500ft. Unaware of this, I continued past the 15nm boundary at 3000ft, clearly busting airspace. At this stage of my training I did not know how to operate the Distance Measuring Equipment (DME), however the flight instructor who was examining me had tuned up the NS DME and was monitoring it during the flight. The instructor who was aware of this airspace promptly ordered “Turn around! You’ve just busted airspace”. I performed a descending orbit without delay. I guess the stress of a flight test and the distraction of visual joining procedures limited my situational awareness.</p> 
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				<title>Re: GA INCIDENTS (general discussion)</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>During my multicrew training, our instructor as well as another student, and I, flew to an aerodrome for a swap-over so that I could fly back. It was a really clear day but the circuit was quite busy but we were on an instrument approach. Because of the single paved taxiway available, and the fact that we required backtrack to clear the runway via the taxiway, it took us about 30 seconds to do so.</p> <p>There was an aircraft on short final, if i remember rightly, it was a Cessna 172. The tower was aware of us backtracking but did not ask us to expedite, even though we were already expediting because we knew there was traffic on finals. What alarmed us was the fact that the controller actually cleared the aircraft to land, even when we were about 30 meters from the exit of the runway.</p> <p>From our position in the aircraft, it looked like the aircraft on finals was about 200-300 feet high, which means he was touching down soon, and it wasnt a very long runway, so if we did not hurry up, we would hope that the pilot in command of the aircraft on finals would have the common sense to go around instead of land as cleared to do so. Eventually we swung the aircraft off the runway and the aircraft landed.</p> <p>Our instructor wasnt too happy but we did not pursue the matter. At the point of the incident, the fact that the other aircraft could land with us on the runway, I thought there were three solutions to this problem, firstly, the controller could have told the landing aircraft to go-around or expect late clearance. Secondly, the aircraft landing could have decided to go around themselves. Thirdly, we could have simply jumped on the radio and asked the aircraft to go around due to us being quite far from taxiway and them being quite close to the threshold.</p> 
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				<title>Re: GA INCIDENTS (general discussion)</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Its good you thought to check after the flight. I was at an aero club where a pilot had to carry out a FLWOP due to fuel exhaustion.</p> <p>He had calculated the flight off the dipsticks with a 30 min reserve and should have made the destination ok, except the dipstick was wrong. At some stage the aircrafts owner had replaced/re-marked the dipstick and made a mistake with the markings in the middle range. Very low quantities and above ~75% full were correct. But in the range of 25-75% full the dipstick overread.</p> <p>This issue had been hidden by 2 factors- (1) normally the aero club used 45 min reserve rather than the 30min legally required and this had protected any number of flights. (2) the aircraft was usually flown with full, or near full tanks and often on long flights where leaning and altitude have a significant effect on fuel consumption. But in this case the four heavy POB, necessitated less than full fuel and weather dictated a lower, less efficent route.</p> <p>There were two significant outcomes- the club revised it flight rules to reflect the 45min fuel reserve and we recommended that CAA impliment a requirement for fuel dipsticks to be calibrated, marked and date stamped when installed or made. This was not required before then.</p> <p>An unrelated thought- the fuel load you suggest you had would be pretty normal for the lesson you describe. Depending on the size of the instructor and student or pilot and passenger you may not get much more onboard legally, and more fuel would only leave the trap for another pilot, who may be less aware.</p> 
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				<title>Re: GA INCIDENTS (general discussion)</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Some time ago after only just passing my C Cat Instructors Rating i had the opportunity to take a pre-ppl pilot up for a 'basic stalls' lesson. We had the use of a Cessna C-152 aircraft which had recently been into maintenance. At the particular flight school it is common practise to scrutinise the students preflight, or in other words walk around the aircraft and test the student's general knowledge of the aircraft. In particular a question that is always asked before the flight commences is the quantity of fuel in the tanks and the equivalent endurance, as well as the quantity of oil. On this occasion the student advised that we had 55 litres total and at 25 litres per hour consumption gave us approx. 2 hours 10 minutes Total endurance. Less 6 litres unusable and 45 minutes reserve this gave us approx. 1 hour 10 minutes safe endurance. The flight was estimated at between 50 and 55 minutes and therefore arguably we had sufficient fuel for the flight and to land with more than legal reserves. However towards the end of the lesson we experienced slight handling problems and more than expected 'violent' wing drops. It could have been put down to the students use of aileron during the stall recovery which exaggerates the stall promoting a wing drop. However as the student was understandably a little shaken, i opted for an early return to the airport. Upon landing and after a short taxi to the fuel pumps for refuelling i decided to inspect the aircraft while the student refilled the tanks. After the aircraft was refuelled i asked the student how much he had put in each tank and he advised me that he put 15 litres in one tank and just under 40 litres in the other. This sparked a very quick calculation and realisation that we had just about run one tank completely dry (aside the unusable) and the other tank had used no fuel whatsoever. The C-152 uses a dual feed system that feeds from both tanks simultaneously. With further calculation of our total flight time it was confirmed that, sure we landed with an hour of spare fuel which takes into account the unusable fuel from both tanks and 45 minutes reserve. The problem being was that it was all in the tank of the the wing that was not actually feeding through. To put a finer point on the situation, we landed with less than 7 minutes of available fuel.</p> <p>After the engineers had inspected the tanks it was found that one of the fuel lines had been compromised during its last service and as such was completely blocked. Hence if i had continued the lesson for its full duration we probably would have made it to the harbour entrance but more than likely not the runway.</p> <p>I believe this is an incident worth mention for several reasons, the first being that even though we were only going on a short flight to the training area i should have made sure we had the maximum allowable fuel which would have given us a safer buffer above what we actually had. Also even though we are advised as pilots not to completely trust our fuel gauges as they can often be unreliable, hence we use mental calculation of fuel remaining, if i had been paying more attention to the gauges i may well have spotted the problem before it almost became a disaster.</p> <p>I also want to mention that in the flight school environment we are encouraged to have the aircraft pre-flighted, airborne and returned within the allowable time. The unfortunate part is that if for any reason the aircraft is returned late from the previous flight or the student has taken more time than usual to preflight or prepare, the reality is that we can be rushed and as such in order to maximise the lesson, there may not be time to consider for example (ensuring that we have maximum allowable fuel), even though we have more than the safe legal requirement.</p> <p>Therefore as can be seen in this particular case, had we not been working to such a tight time schedule we would have certainly taken the time to fill the aircraft. As a result of this incident, i have since spoken to a CAA representative and was advised that the information could lead to an AD airworthiness directive being circulated to ensure similar situations do not arise. In the meantime there maybe other instructors or pilots that can learn from my very fortunate escape from a potentially fatal situation.</p> 
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				<title>Re: GA INCIDENTS (general discussion)</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The inherent dangers in missed communications in the aviation environment cannot be stressed enough. Nagel (1988) states the effect on margins of safety and that the Aviation Safety Reporting System (ASRS) database is loaded with examples of unnecessary go-arounds, traffic conflicts, near misses and aborted take-offs. Whilst &quot;human error is a normal characteristic of human behaviour&quot; Reason, 1990, the costs can be very high. In one study of 119 fatal accidents - communication errors was cited as primary cause in 41% of the cases. Billings &amp; Cheaney (1981) researched the ASRS and found that verbal information transfer problems account for 85% of communication transfer incidents - that being so, pilots using VHF radio to communicate must be aware of the dangers of imprecision in this mode of communication (Nagel, 1988). The incidents listed above show that the majority were to do with FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE. This can happen because of several reasons -eg. pilot is distracted, or pilot has forgotten to broadcast, workload is high, stress, cognitive tunnelling, fatigue, unsure of position. That being the case, extra vigilance is required - in our busy airspace, company pilots talk to others to inform them of other aircraft operating in the area, then they keep an extra watch to ensure that they are where they say they are. This is a line of defence, a necessary one, COMMUNICATION is the key to safely operating in our environment. Not just about position reports, but communicating within the team to keep others safe, and watching out for your fellow pilots too - I think that's very important.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Near miss III</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>A brief explanation on some of these near misses. They relate to Military and Police aircraft, and we have learnt that because they fly complex and unusal patterns to carry out their missions, ATC find it difficult to maintain their separation with other aircraft (Miyagi, 2005). The nature of their work can mean that their workload is high, and for these reasons it is imperative we take special care when we know they are in the area. As we operate in uncontrolled airspace a good proportion of each flight, each pilot knows it is their responsibility to maintain separation from other aircraft in the vicinity. Creating accurate mental models for situational awareness is critical to safe operation (Oster et al, 1992), and when unsure, to check, double-check, and seek clarification when necessary and to be vigilant at all times, and avoid complacency as Jordan mentions in his lesson entitled THE DIRTY DOZEN. Jordan also brings up other vital ingredients which are important to safe operations - we really relate to this = teamwork (our pilots talk to each other, sound each other out, ask for opinions, clarify operating procedure, - the newer pilots learn from the ones who have been flying in these conditions for a while, and have useful tips and 'what to do's and what not to do's'. When in doubt, go SAFETY all the way.</p> 
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				<title>Helicopter encounter</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>A helicopter began to take off on runway but had to abort due to pilot in GA aircraft already rolling on the neighbouring runway. GA pilot had made standard radio calls, but on questioning the helicopter pilot he said he was monitoring xxx.xx which was the old channel now not used.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Pilot made standard radio calls to join for runway in use. Whilst crossing the fence sees a helicopter taking off on cross runway. Pilot calls short-finals and continues to land. On questioning the helicopter pilot who apologised, he said he never saw the in-coming aircraft. No radio calls had been heard by GA pilot from helicopter.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>During vectors for the ILS approach at 23L at Auckland, radio comms with Auckland Control were temporarily disrupted. After establishing comms with AA control 129.6, pilot was given radar heading to fly 080 degrees. Short time later on this heading pilot notices that radio chatter has decreased and checked radio settings to find radio set to 129.7. Both first officer and captain unsure how this occurred and re-established comms with control who had been attempting to contact them. Approach completed uneventfully.</p> 
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						 <p>GA pilot joining from non-traffic side to land as another aircraft lined up on runway. Aircraft still on runway as pilot approaches finals. At 500ft pilot realises that there is a banner on the ground by the aircraft, and a person walking along edge of seal. At 300ft pilot elects to go around as the other aircraft starts to roll. Go around completed normally. No radio calls were heard from the other aircraft. The only radio call heard was when they were rolling. No advice was received from them when pilot in the circuit as to what they were doing.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>GA pilot departed Taupo at 1737. ATC advised of traffic in the area due at 1749 carrying out a GPS approach via Gumen. GA pilot commenced a left visual departure and climbed to 5000ft and contacted control which advised of traffic approaching Gumen and requested GA pilot to broadcast on local, which pilot did. Pilot attempts to contact aircraft whilst control continued to speak. The controller was speaking very fast and the reception was poor. GA pilot understanding was that other aircraft was descending to 4000ft, so maintained 5000ft. This was not the case and shortly thereafter passed by each other. On later discussions between pilots, the captain of the commercial aircraft advised he had the GA aircraft on TCAS and separation was never broken.</p> 
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				<title>Near miss III</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Another standard GA departure and track to destination. At 1525 pilot hears transmission from “XX” 10 NM west of certain area tracking east. At 1535 pilot was overtaken on left side by XX at same level. Pilot watches as the XX apparently not noticing him then commences a right hand turn. Pilot instantly recognises situation developing and reduces power, turns left and makes descent. Passes XX at a distance of 800m abeam. Position reports made on both adjacent local frequencies with no response.</p> 
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						 <p>GA pilot departs rural airfield, uncontrolled airspace en-route to AA at 1304 hours. Standard radio calls are made over the local channel at designated points advising position and track. When 15 nautical miles NE of waypoint, pilot heard a brief radio call announcing “XX operating in the area”. When 5 NM NE of waypoint, the aircraft was sighted in 10&#160;o’clock position at estimated 800 metres distance, at same altitude, on a collision course. Both turned right to avoid each other, and pilot re-reported position and altitude, but received no reply.</p> 
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						 <p>Mid-air collisions can occur at any stage of a flight but the likelihood of such an occurrence according to Oster, Strong &amp; Zorn (1992) is increased at lower altitudes where both VFR and IFR traffic share airspace, and where it is up to the pilot to avoid such collisions.</p> <p>This incident happened a couple of years ago, and was followed up appropriately with CAA.<br /> 1. NEAR MISS<br /> Auckland Tower cleared pilot from AA to Ardmore via Weymouth and was advised of a helicopter operating Papakura at 800ft. Pilot’s first call was “Weymouth tracking to Karaka 1000ft to join downwind runway 21, looking for helicopter”. At Karaka, with no visual of the helicopter, tracks towards Drury to stay well clear of traffic. Called at Drury to join downwind 21, and when abeam Papakura heard helicopter call “Papakura tracking to Hunua” – at this point should have been well clear. Tracked downwind for 21 and at Red Hill helicopter appeared at 1 oclock low, heading west. GA pilot entered steep climbing left turn to avoid collision and continued on to land at Ardmore.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Before you start your engines</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><em>[In behalf of <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/tcl01" ><img class="small" src="http://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=239871&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1697014977" alt="tcl01" style="background-image:url(http://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=239871)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/tcl01" >tcl01</a></span>, originally posted on 14 January 2009.]</em></p> <p>Another instance, same problem. Two GA aircraft boarded and ready to start. In the background there is the hustle and bustle associated with two private planes who have landed, untold people milling around them, unloading and not paying any attention to the fact two aircraft are about to start and depart. Pilots are about to start their engines, when incredibly 3 people just walk right towards them and are only a matter of feet away from about to be fully operational aircraft. Pilots stop what they are doing and wait for these 3 to saunter to the gates, full of apology for walking through our busy operational space. They could have gone around the back of the aircraft by the fenceline and exited the field through a side gate. Or they could have waited with all their passengers at their aircraft for 2 minutes whilst the GA planes departed. Instead they chose to ignore what was going on, and walk straight into a potentially dangerous situation.</p> <p>The lessons learned in all these situations</p> <p>1. extreme vigilance when taxying in, and when about to start engines to taxy out<br /> 2. to watch out for people who will potentially approach an aircraft<br /> 3. to brief the people associated with the private flights of our movements and to direct them and their passengers to use the side exit<br /> 4. ops staff need to watch for people who look like they will make a move on an aircraft<br /> 5. to be aware that quite often people disregard or ignore, or are perhaps unaware of the extreme danger they place themselves in when they are around aircraft.<br /> 6. look left and right before starting engine/s to make sure no one is in your space<br /> 7. these incidents clearly demonstrate just how easy it would be for a nasty accident to occur<br /> 8. never assume anything when people are nearby to your aircraft<br /> 9. vigilance at all times!</p> 
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				<title>Re: Before you start your engines</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><em>[In behalf of <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/tcl01" ><img class="small" src="http://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=239871&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1697014977" alt="tcl01" style="background-image:url(http://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=239871)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/tcl01" >tcl01</a></span>, originally posted on 14 January 2009.]</em></p> <p>Still, there's more:</p> <p>at this particular field, the Westpac Rescue helicopter visits on a fairly regular basis to ferry patients to hospital in emergency situations. It has its own parking area. One particular day, it is parked, still running, for a quick turnaround when some people from a private plane approach its tail rotors on their way to exit the field - this was a close call, which saw Westpac doubling its parking area to force private planes further away from its operational area.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Before you start your engines</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>JDPerezgonzalez</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>148050</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p><em>[In behalf of <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/tcl01" ><img class="small" src="http://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=239871&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1697014977" alt="tcl01" style="background-image:url(http://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=239871)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/tcl01" >tcl01</a></span>, originally posted on 14 January 2009.]</em></p> <p>But that's not all&#8230;..</p> <p>yet another busy day in GA. Yet another plane, another pilot, boarded ready to go - hands reaching for the start, when a person vaults the fence and runs at aircraft with arms waving to try attract attention of pilot - staff in hot pursuit with voices raised - luckily pilot spots this person and takes hands off start. Incredibly this person was also a pilot (private pilot), and also should have known better.</p> 
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				<title>Before you start your engines</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p><em>[In behalf of <span class="printuser avatarhover"><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/tcl01" ><img class="small" src="http://www.wikidot.com/avatar.php?userid=239871&amp;amp;size=small&amp;amp;timestamp=1697014977" alt="tcl01" style="background-image:url(http://www.wikidot.com/userkarma.php?u=239871)" /></a><a href="http://www.wikidot.com/user:info/tcl01" >tcl01</a></span>, originally posted on 14 January 2009.]</em></p> <p>Another day in the life of a busy GA pilot who was about to complete his third rotation of the day. He had flown in, unloaded passengers and freight on what was another very hot and busy day. He had re-loaded his plane, and boarded his passengers and was about to start his engines when he looked to the left (hands on the start buttons) and saw a person shutting the door directly in front of the propeller! He immediately took his hands off the start mechanisms and got out of the plane to go check the door&#8230; By this time the person had scarpered through the gates and was busy trying to make a quick getaway. When ops staff caught up with him to discuss his inappropriate and dangerous behaviour - he just said, oh for goodness sakes, I know how to shut a door, I am a pilot. (a retired pilot - even so, he should have known better than to do what he did).</p> <p>1. Luckily the pilot checked left and right before starting the engine<br /> 2. If he had not done so which I guess he might easily have missed seeing as it was hot, it was busy, he still had another 2 rotations to do, the person could have been decapitated - in front of his family, who he had opened the door to talk to, and probably to the utmost horror of staff who witnessed the event and not least of all to the pilot<br /> 3. People can do strange things around aircraft and vigilance is always necessary<br /> 4. Check left and right before starting ! this saved that man's life</p> 
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				<title>Private pilot operating commercially</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>On a particularly nasty weather day below VFR conditions and not even operational IFR, information passed to that effect to GA operations who put all flights to airfield on hold. Incredibly an aircraft landed shortly thereafter at the airfield. On discussion with the pilot, who was carrying a fare paying passenger (though from my understanding not licensed to), indicated that &quot;he shouldn't have come&quot;. Imagine my further surprise when he elected to take off in the same conditions and return to his airfield of origin. Points noted.<br /> 1. on his own admission he said that half way through his journey he got down to 500ft and still continued<br /> 2. at approximately 12 miles out he descended to 200ft and still continued<br /> 3. he said &quot;he shouldn't have come out&quot;, though he still did, when he could have turned back<br /> 4. the passenger seemed a bit perturbed, but was probably completely unaware of the unsafe situation the pilot was operating in<br /> 5. this unnecessary flight put pilot and passenger at risk and could have turned out to be a disaster<br /> CAA were notified.<br /> Again, a simple call to the airfield could have been made and a stupid decision to fly averted. The weather is the weather, and the hills are pretty unforgiving.</p> 
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				<title>Copying GA pilot landing with tailwind</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>A private pilot operating in busy airspace elected to follow a GA pilot landing on a runway with an approximate 12 knot tailwind, and collided with lights at the start of the runway. This tore a large hole in the wing of the aircraft, but he managed to control the aircraft and taxy in to park. The damage was quite significant to the aircraft and he and his passengers had a lucky escape from what could have been a serious accident. The private pilot was obviously quite shaken by the incident and blamed the GA pilot for it. Upon discussion with the private pilot it was noted that:<br /> 1. he had not landed on this airfield for some time<br /> 2. he was an older gentleman who undoubtedly had much flying experience<br /> 3. he failed to check the direction of the wind, and its strength from the available windsocks, or if in doubt he could have checked on the local channel with the GA pilot what runway was in use (uncontrolled airspace) - but instead he assumed that because the GA pilot was landing on that particular runway, that that must be the runway in use<br /> 4. the GA pilot knew the capability of the aircraft he was flying, and elected the tailwind for expediency and perhaps the building of skills in this area<br /> Lessons perhaps and hopefully learned by the private pilot:<br /> 1. don't assume anything - always double check<br /> 2. make sure you do it right - not only his life was at risk, but those of his passengers who were very shaken<br /> 3. a simple phone call to those at the airfield could have given him advance warning of the conditions at the field<br /> 4. take responsibility for your own flying and situational awareness<br /> 5. to reiterate point 1. don't assume anything!<br /> Luckily no one was hurt and the aircraft though it sat for a very long time before it could be fixed, was fixed and flew again.</p> 
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