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		<title>Ab-initio pilots (INCIDENTS) (new posts)</title>
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		<description>Posts in the forum category &quot;Ab-initio pilots (INCIDENTS)&quot; - Post here any incidents that you have experienced while getting your wings.</description>
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				<title>Ab-initio MID-AIR INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio MID-AIR INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>It's at least a little amusing that the photo they chose appears to be of the JAL Flight School in Napa, CA&#8230; which is now closed.</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio MID-AIR INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio MID-AIR INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2021 21:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The PIC decided that it was safer to descend to 1000ft and remain on track towards longburn. Once overhead longburn, we only than spotted the Aircraft which was now only one north of longburn still at 1500ft tracking south. If we hadnt descended to 1000ft, it would have been a very close call cause we were close enough to read off the side of the A/C registration easily. It is very hard to spot the aircraft when approaching head on especially when they do not on their landing lights.</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio INCIDENTS (general discussion): </title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2021 04:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Rod Crimpy</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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				<title>Ab-initio INCIDENTS (general discussion): </title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2021 01:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Jonthon Lau</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Has anyone ever experienced the feeling you have landed when actually you haven;t?</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio INCIDENTS (general discussion): China Airlines reports Q2 profit thanks to cargo carrying during pandemic (2020/08/10)</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The airline industry has suffered tremendously from the global pause on travel. But China Airlines has bucked the trend. So far, it's been the only airline in East Asia to report a healthy second-quarter profit. That's because the airline has turned to rely on its fleet of cargo aircraft, serving the demand for import and export of tech goods and medical equipment.</p> Stuck in Taiwan for months, no one can look forward to an overseas holiday. Airlines are offering “fake foreign holidays” to try and recoup their losses. But China Airlines doesn’t have losses to worry about.<br /> #IndustryAviation#NewsAviation#Worldaviationblog#Aviaton#Airlines#ChinaAirlines#Cargo#Covid19#Panademic#Reports#Eva Air <span class="error-inline">To refer to an image attached to a page, use <em>pagename</em>/<em>filename</em></span>
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				<title>Ab-initio MID-AIR INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio MID-AIR INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>There have been many mid-air incidents and sadly, a couple of mid air accidents during my ab-initio days.<br /> Personally, there have been 2 occasions that would have led to a disastrous ending if not managed well.</p> <p>1. Back in 2006 when I was doing my VFR Navigation flight up North towards NZNP, I have planned to do a touch &amp; go at NZWU on the way up. NZWU is not a controlled aerodrome in a MBZ. Weather information is available for NZWU through the AWIB. Therefore, the runway in use is determined by the pilot operating in the area.</p> <p>As I approached NZWU, I got the weather and it was favoring the South facing Runway. I made my calls in the MBZ and heard nothing on the air so I just carried on my approach into NZWU as per planned. However, as I called overhead and joining left hand downwind for the approach, another aircraft called up and broadcasted that he was on the finals of the reciprocal runway for a touch and go before carrying on his journey down south. By then, I was already on the left hand downwind. I called for him to make a left hand turn upwind instead of his broadcasted intention to vacate via the right hand downwind (which was where I was coming in from). I did not get a response from him so I watched him as he did his touch and go. Hoping that he knew I was there from my broadcast and attempt to communicate with him, to my horror, he made a right turn and started heading towards me. I managed to space myself out on a wider downwind before carrying out my approach. When our aircrafts passed each other, it was near enough for me to see the shock on the pilot's face to see the proximity of our aircrafts.</p> <p>A few things I learnt from this:<br /> a. Airmanship - Always broadcast even when you think that no one is listening<br /> b. Airmanship - Always use the runway the wind is favoring if it is an uncontrolled aerodrome. If you decide to otherwise, do broadcast your intentions<br /> c. Communication - Listen out and not just broadcast for the sake of broadcasting.<br /> d. Situational Awareness - Always know what the other pilot is doing and how it will affect you.</p> <p>2. In 2007, I was returning from an IFR NAV on a Seneca into NZPM. We came in for Rwy 07 for the circling approach for Rwy 25. The circuit area then was active and there were about 2 other aircrafts in the circuit. I shot my approach down to 700' and broke right to circle left for Rwy 25 as requested by ATC. As I joined left hand downwind for 25, there was another single engined aircraft at 1100' ahead of me. Tower gave instructions to the other aircraft above us to make a right hand orbit at his position to allow us to land first since we were lower and will be faster than him. The pilot acknowledged the instruction of the ATC. However, as we continued to fly downwind, we saw that the guy did not make an orbit and instead, he started descending and turning left to join base for the approach. Immediately, we made a right turn and informed tower that we'll orbiting due to traffic closing in on us from above for the approach. Tower later made the pilot land for a full stop and we continued our approach after him.</p> <p>Few lessons from here:<br /> a. Communication - Always understand the instructions from ATC and not just read them back because it is the right thing to do<br /> b. Situational Awareness - Always know where the other aircraft are even though you are under radar coverage<br /> c. Situational Awareness - Always know what the instructions ATC gives you is about and not just follow blindly. ATC may have made a mistake or someone else flying or even yourself may have made a mistake.</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio TAKE-OFF &amp; LANDING INCIDENTS: Aborted Takeoff</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Teerawit Pulpinyo</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>1195468</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>It was one of my very first short-field takeoff trainings on Palmerston North Grass runway25. Grass runway at Palmerston North airport is very short, it is only about 600 metres long with a paved taxiway in the middle of it. The surface condition on the day was wet and soft as it had been closed for a while , however it was cleared safe to conduct a takeoff and landing on the day. On every takeoff, especially in a short-field takeoff a pilot is required to have a decision point where he/she decides whether to continue or abort the aircraft. This decision point during a short-field takeoff can be selected by selecting a point on the runway and the safe airspeed for the takeoff to be continued at the particular point. As the aircraft I flew on the say was PA-28, my decision point was at the paved taxi way at speed of at least 40&#160;kt. I kept saying to myself that &quot;I need to have at least 40kt passing the taxiway&quot; This decision was shared to and agreed by flight instructor sitting next to me. I applied full power and the takeoff was commenced on a wet and soft Grass 25. As the aircraft was rolling, the airspeed did not increase as much as I expected from the past flight. It only increased slowly. As passing my decision point(taxiway), airspeed was still about 35kt. Without saying anything to the instructor, I decided the abort the takeoff, and quickly close the throttle to idle along gentle braking. The instructor was surprised by my sudden action, however he had no time to apply full-power again as the distance left to run was insufficient. He then helped me with more braking in order to stop the aircraft within the distance available as my braking alone was insufficient. The aircraft came to a fully stop within the grass distance, the nose wheel was sitting just at the end edge of the runway.</p> <p>After the flight, I had a talk about my decision with the instructor. He mentioned that the decision was good, however it was very poor communication as I didn't say &quot;ABORT!!!&quot; and also insufficient braking applied when the decision was to abort. At least I should have told him my decision to abort before acting so. He also mentioned that if I had told him he would still be happy to continue the takeoff. And also when decide to abort the aircraft due to many reason, maximum braking should applied.</p> <p>The big thing I learnt from this flight was that when aborting the takeoff maximum braking should be applied to stop aircraft within available distance. It was lucky that there was a flat grass surface after the Grass runway at Palmerston North. What if it was something else?? And also the effective communication between crew is always required, especially when flying with a flight instructor who is the Pilot in Command and has more experience in flying as at the time I only about 12 hours of experience.</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio WEATHER INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio WEATHER INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 04:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>During one of my duel CPL nav training exercise, I was flying with my instructor over the eastern part of the north island heading back to palmy. I remeber it was a day with clear blue sky but medium to strong westerly winds. All of a sudden, we encountered heavy turbulance and both of us was not straped tighly enoguh on the seat and was thrown around in the cockpit, bumping our heads into the ceiling. I immeditily applied full power and climbed as I suspected that the turbulance was casued by the ranges below which we started to fly accross, altho we had to bust the airspace, but to me it was an unforgettable experience.</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio TAKE-OFF &amp; LANDING INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio TAKE-OFF &amp; LANDING INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Tianchen Liu</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>1088543</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>This incident happened on my 2nd solo. I was doing solo circuit practice at NZPM (Palmerston North) with very limited flying experience, approximately about 15 hours. My intention was doing 3 circuits at Palmerston North in order to practice my flying skills. The first circuit was normal. Everything was usual. During the 2nd circuit I was told that: “Due to the arrival of an Air NZ flight, after touch and go continue climbing maintain runway heading until further advised.” Therefore after the “touch and go”, I was climbing on runway heading and waiting for calls from ATC (I thought I was doing as exactly as what tower asked me to do). However, I did not know that I should level off at 1100ft (circuit altitude and NZPM). The traffic around Palmerston was a bit busy, and I did not receive any radio calls from tower for a few minutes. Eventually when tower called me again I got asked to descend immediately and I noticed my altitude was almost at 2000ft (went into Ohakea controlled airspace without clearance). After that I descend to 1100ft and continued a normal circuit with a full stop landing.</p> <p>What I learned from this incident is that a clear and good understanding of airspace is very important, and it can help understand the instructions obtained from ATC. Secondly, any time if unsure about any clearance, do not hesitate to ask. A confirmation on clearance is better than doing something wrong.</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio TAKE-OFF &amp; LANDING INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio TAKE-OFF &amp; LANDING INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 02:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Regarding the above incident and whether it was a result of you “counting the wrong plane” or due to a breakdown in the controller’s situational awareness; while both explanations are feasible, I won’t launch into any conjecture about who was at fault.</p> <p>What is far more concerning is the apparent lack of aerodrome control in the above incident. Any time there are two or more aircraft in the circuit, “ATC should advise the pilots of their position in the landing sequence and of the aircraft immediately ahead of them, including an instruction to follow or position behind the aircraft concerned” (<em>CAA Advisory Circular AC172-2</em>, 2.1.11).</p> <p>E.g. <em>“ABC continue approach number 3 for Runway ##, follow the Cherokee on left base”</em></p> <p>A pilot’s acknowledgement of instructions to “FOLLOW” another aircraft is the acceptance of visual separation from the preceding aircraft, and the pilot must advise ATC if visual contact with the other aircraft is lost or cannot be maintained (<em>NZ AIP Vol.1</em>, ENR 1.1 – 28).</p> <p>Your “traffic in sight” call seems ambiguous if you were given no detailed information on the preceding aircraft (i.e. aircraft type and position), and should have been questioned by ATC.</p> <p>If you ever experience any similar incidents involving a loss of separation (and hopefully you don’t!), then please ensure you also report them through the proper channels. The subsequent investigation should help strengthen the safety system going forward.</p> <p>Cheers, DM</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio TECHNICAL INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio TECHNICAL INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>During my CPL Nav training, I was sitting in the PM seat (co-pilot) seat with one of my class mate and we are heading to wanganui from new plymouth, on near half way I have discovered that our ammeter was reading zero, which means our alternators aren't working and we are running on batts. (in the old PA28 airplanes the batt is only able to last 1hr before it runs dry, and we have no idea how long it was on batt before). we quickly notifly the ATC(altho we are not in controlled airspace), all called ops, while the pilot in command is flying the plane and refering to QRH, we even left our cell phones on just in case, but lucky for us after a while using limited instrments we are able to land back into palmy with our radio still on</p> <p>the lesson I learnt here is to always to have a back up plan(like we had our cell phones on just incase) and always do ur checks</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio TAKE-OFF &amp; LANDING INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio TAKE-OFF &amp; LANDING INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I remeber once during my early stages of training in palmerston north, I was on a solo practice flight to the southern training aera south of palmerston.<br /> When I completed my practice and wished to join the palmerston circuit patterm to do some touch and goes (a practice of landing and take-off skills), before a full stop landing. I was cleared for the circuit number 3, so I started to look for the 2 planes in front of me. (At that time I was trained in the PA28, not the DA40 we hav now with the flash as TCAS system), there was one plane on short finals and about to land and another on base. so I called the traffic in sight and position myself number 3. But just befor I turned finals, another PA28 flew past right in front of me, with distance (eye measured) close than 100ft!! The ATC did not say anything so in order for me to have enough distance, I gave myself space by deploying flaps and doing big S turns on finals for the &quot;acctual number two&quot; aircraft.</p> <p>Till this day Im not sure weather it was me counting the wrong plane or was the ATC's miscount of planes.</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio TAKE-OFF &amp; LANDING INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio TAKE-OFF &amp; LANDING INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 01:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Laura Batchelor</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>593416</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>During a normal take off on the seal at Palmerston North the plane started to head left towards the side of the runway quite alot. I was with an instructor at the time who took control and carried out the take off. After confirming with my instructor that i had not been using left rudder on take off he requested to re join and land back at Palmerston North to see if it was a fault with the aircraft. My instructor carried out a slower than normal landing on the grass runway and once we landed the plane continued to head left. We taxied back to base and later an engineer found that the left brake had been sticking causing the plane to head left. This was a good lesson in how to manage unusual aspects of flight and turn back if it is the safest option</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio TECHNICAL INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio TECHNICAL INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 01:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Laura Batchelor</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>593416</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>During the initial stages of my PPL navigation flights I was doing a nav flight from Palmerston North to Wanganui with a touch and go in foxpine. After take off in foxpine I headed out to the sea to track the coast to WU. About 20 minutes after take off I needed to do a tank change and carried out standard tank change procedures and was filling in the fuel log when the engine cut out. I was quite shocked but started running through the immediate actions check list and set the aircraft into a glide and picked the beach as an appropriate landing site. After switching back to the other tank the engine started about 4 or 5 seconds later and i was able to return safely to Palmerston North. On inspection they found that the spring in the fuel selector had broken and when I changed tanks the selector went through to off instead of left tank. This was not picked up in run ups as I had started the plane on left tank and during run ups it is procedure to change tanks which I did and therefore I had not tested turning it to the left tank. This was a good lesson on how to work under pressure</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio NAVIGATION INCIDENTS: Re: Ab-initio NAVIGATION INCIDENTS</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Laura Batchelor</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>593416</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>During my PPL navigation flight block I was doing a solo flight from Palmerston North to New Plymouth with a touch and go in WU. Shortly after take off from WU the top latch of the door (Pa-28) slipped open and there was a great noise in the cockpit. I managed to get it closed again but in doing so lost some height and lost my position. I spent about 10 minutes running through a lost procedure to get my position and had to alter heading to get back on course.<br /> On return to Palmerston North my instructor questioned me about how I managed to get so far off track as he had been watching through spider tracks. I explained to him the situation and he made the suggestion that I could have turned back to WU and landed and fixed the door on the ground, this would have taken more time but would have eliminated the time spent doing the lost procedure and would have ultimately been the safer option. Because of my lack of flight experience this had never crossed my mind at the time.</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio MID-AIR INCIDENTS: </title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Stage of training: Pre PPL</p> <p>Incident Overview:<br /> This incident occurred during my last revision (solo) flight before the PPL flight exam. The day was fine with lots of flying activity.<br /> It was near the end of the flight, after returning from the STA, I decided to practice some circuits. It was meant to be a full-stop, short field landing on grass 25at NZPM. A Beech-1900 aircraft was holding short of grass on taxiway 1 while a Cessna 152 had just lined up on sealed 25.<br /> As I approached closer to short finals, I was cleared to land and soon after which the Cessna was cleared for take-off. It was a stressful landing due to the number of aircraft operating in close proximity to each other, there was no margin for error. As I got closer to the runway I started to flare and just before touch-down the aircraft had ballooned. My immediate action was to carry out a go-around and almost instantly I realised that I will have to cross the sealed runway. I applied full power and carried out the go-around procedure as per normal, also informing the tower. At approx 600ft I initiated a right-hand turn to the crosswind leg.<br /> My Lookout was thorough and as I scanned over my right shoulder I could see that Cessna getting airborne and climbing straight at me. The Cessna was at approx 100ft. I was scared and shocked to see that aircraft coming right at me. Due to my poor situational awareness and high work load, I was not aware when it had been cleared for takeoff. I was too busy flying the aircraft and did not pay much attention on what was being said over the radio.<br /> For some reason I had initially planned to request a non-standard left hand for grass 25 (after my go around) but in the end I did not which lead to such a situation. I managed to carry out the rest of the circuit as per normal and land safely.<br /> Many questions still remain unanswered, such as: was ATC aware what had just happened, was ATC meant to clear me for a non-standard left hand circuit, was this situation ‘normal’ and I just found it too close for comfort due to my level of experience?</p> <p>Lesson learnt:<br /> - Situation awareness was not at my personal best when it should have been especially when the aerodrome was busy<br /> - More importance should have been given on LOOKOUT before turning crosswind<br /> - This situation would have been prevented by requesting a non-standard left hand circuit<br /> -Not to rely solely on ATC to provide traffic information because they can make mistakes too, especially when the work load is high.</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio AERODROME INCIDENTS: overtaking because your a spitfire</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This was in my days at Ardmore in which i was flying Tecnams toward getting a PPL, i had completed a solo handling practice in the Hauraki Gulf and had returned to Ardmore to join the non-traffic side for runway 21. it was as usual a busy afternoon at Ardmore with at least 5 aircraft established in the circuit, i had no problems as i was joining via to non-traffic side to integrate into the circuit. i had made the applicable radio calls at Clevedon township, remained at 1500 ft. until i was established on non-traffic side in which i descended to 1100ft for the circuit. I was watching and listening out to traffic half way down the non-traffic side leg before turning crosswind for the threshold of the opposite runway, a spit fire had come out of nowhere from above and in front of me, with no previous radio call saying he was joining the non-traffic side. When he appeared, he was so close that i had to take evasive action to the right, into a descending turn and levelled out 900ft about 100 ft. above the helicopter take of landing area (TLOF). Luckily there was no helicopter conducting circuits at that particular moment. I climbed back up to 1100 ft. and proceeded into the circuit to land.</p> <p>I informed my instructor of what had happened and he said that he saw what happen, while standing out there just watching other aeroplanes. He then told me that what i did was right thing to do and that he had already reported the incident and contacted the organisation about what happened. The aircraft was found to be a NORDO aircraft. In which he had no radio to make calls or receive any. The same aircraft has been a problem in the past for the aerodrome and that the airport company had warned the organisation to get a radio as the traffic density was dangerous for it to operate without one.</p> <p>he also reminded me the importance of even if you are NORDO, you need to maintain a good look out and manoeuvre in a way in which u can join the circuit but give room to other aircraft as far as practicable to get visual of you, that comes in the form of rocking wings at different intervals of time during the circuit, following the preceding aircrafts flight path as close as practicable in circuits and if an option take a secondary or grass runway from where the main traffic is landing. So as to provide a margin of safety from those who are not paying attention. However in airspace like Ardmore where radio calls are on-going, making the brain fry out quite easily, a methodical scan of the circuit is needed.</p> <p>my methodical search of traffic to know how many aircraft are ahead of you in the circuit, which i have learnt from Ardmore is, you start from the touch down point of the active runway, then work your way up the final approach leg, back up the base leg, back down the downwind leg to your current position, noting how many aircraft are ahead of you, by doing this u note their position and build up a situation awareness of where and who you are following.</p> <p>Thanks</p> <p>dagger20</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio PRESSURE-INDUCED INCIDENTS: failed night navigation check</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I was on my night navigation check in which i went to the fly school in in the early evening before the ECT kicked in, so i could pre-flight my aircraft and be ready to taxi out as ECT time passed. I got to my flight school and pre-flighted my aircraft early, i pre-flighted aircraft with everything ready to go. I then walked back into the operations room in which i got told hours had run out for the aircraft and i was assigned a new one. so i thought to myself, fair enough and went to prefight this next aircraft in which a student had just come back from a solo, i pre-flighted it and walked back in once again into the ops room to find that the student had just wrote up a defect that the seatbelt was in the rear seat belt was not working. I started to become agitated that he could have at least told me before i started pre-flighting. It was coming up to ECT and i didn’t have much time left. The instructor came asked me what the hold-up was. I explained to him about the problems with both aircraft. He then told me to go pre-flight another and with a discontent voice to &quot;hurry up&quot;&#8230;.i walked out onto the apron to the 3rd aircraft to pre-flight in which i had fury and frustration running through me. I finished the pre-flight and we went flying. However i was still discontent and frustrated at being &quot;screwed&quot; around on the ground previously. The flight went well until the end in which i had descended into uncontrolled airspace to return to Palmerston. But 5 minutes later i busted airspace by a 1.4 of a mile and 300ft to high. The instructor then went off at me about it. In which i just remained quiet, breathing very heavily to keep calm. I returned to Palmerston. In the de-brief, my instructor said that flight was ok but could not pass me because of the airspace bust. He then asked me what was wrong as i seem agitated since the start of flight. I then explained that i was not happy at what happened on the ground.</p> <p>He then explained that he agreed that it was unfortunate that it happened but that i need to understand that when working in a real airline environment, there will be many of screw ups and mishandlings that will cause me as a pilot to wait on the ground longer or rectify to them as soon as possible. The pilot will get yelled at, grilled etc&#8230;.but once the task is complete then there are no hang ups. However a pilot must also exercise restraint in letting the frustrations of these events get under his skin and follow him into the cockpit.</p> <p>When entering the cockpit, it is advised that all frustrations and problems of the world be left at the door of the aircraft, when in the cockpit, the pilot should only have his full concentration on the task of flying the aircraft. Once complete and he leaves the cockpit, he then picks up his mental baggage and continues on with his life. When a pilot does not leave his mental baggage at the aircraft door, he is inviting errors and frustration that will reduce mental and physical performance to a point which may cause and incident or accident that is not needed. It also invites bad interaction between crew that will break down crew communication and efficiency as a unit. This also inevitably leads to poor performance.</p> <p>Once i thought about it, he was very much correct and i have no followed this piece advice ever since. And i hope other pilots do as well.</p> <p>Thanks</p> <p>dagger20</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio NAVIGATION INCIDENTS: night navigation botch up</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 05:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>When i first moved to Palmerston north from Auckland to start my studies for BAV, I was a PPL holder. 2 of my class mates asked if we could go a night flight somewhere, so i decided to go to Parapraumu at night. It was not too far and would have been good to see what the area down south was like. So i hired out a C172 which i was rated for and we all cost shared the flight. We did the pre-flight, had maps and gear and got into the aircraft and went. The take-off from Palmerston was no problem and leaving the control zone was fine, and then came the nightmare of navigating, i had been into the southern training area 3 times already and was familiar with some of the towns in vicinity. However at night it became a whole new board game.</p> <p>I asked my class mate who had also done a few flights if he was ok with navigating, he said yes, and so gave him the map to look out for towns, however, due to his inexperience, we were not sure if which town was which in the end. As we approached Parapraumu we mistook it for Otaki, and continued past the town. On the way through we decided to stay inland rather than use the coast to our advantage. We found ourselves getting close to terrain of the central ranges half way through to flight. This in hindsight would have been a good idea. I was then pointed out to the runway being in the centre of built up area in which i told others was what we were looking for. I then turned back around and flew at circuit re-join height along the heading off runway on the approach plate. Which was the runway on the ground, we then determined it was Parapraumu, joined non-traffic side and joined the circuit for a touch and go landing. From there preceded back to Palmerston north, now properly navigating that i had taken the map away from my mate and made sure each town i passed was the correct one.</p> <p>what i learned from that flight, was that I as the PIC should have been more responsible in that i should be navigating myself rather than allowing someone else with less experience at the time to do it. I should have &quot;couch flown&quot; the flight choosing the most appropriate route which in this case should have been the coast to avoid the inland rising terrain. That i verify each township when passing overhead that it is the correct township in, shape and area of township. that i brief adequately the passengers on the route, what to expect and what to look out for en-route and providing comfort to passengers when things didn’t go to plan so as to make them feel calm rather than nervous.</p> <p>Thanks</p> <p>dagger 20</p> 
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				<title>Ab-initio COMMUNICATION INCIDENTS: missing a handoff for the ATIS</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 05:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>On a CPL nav a few years ago from palmerston north to nelson, i was cruising at 6500 ft. in controlled airspace over the Marlborough sounds on the way to nelson, as i got closer to nelson i decided to get the ATIS for nelson using com 2. Due to the weak transmission strength of ATIS from terrain, i had to lower the volume for com 1 to hear the atis, once i got the atis i started my TOD checks, once complete i continued with navigating the aeroplane, however there was an long silence for a period where i heard no transmissions, looking at the map, i was approaching the boundary between Christchurch control and nelson tower controlled terminal airspace. i was wondering why i had no received a call yet not hearing any of the other commercial traffic on the control frequency, i then checked the volume switch which i had previously turned down and forgot to turn up, once i had turned it up, i heard the controller asking an Air New Zealand aircraft to call me on 121.5 to see if i was monitoring as i had not responded, i quickly out of shame switched to 121.5 in which the aircraft contacted me and told me to switch to nelson tower. I then switched controller and continued on with the flight without incident.</p> <p>I later came back to Palmerston at the end of the flight in which i was told an incident notification was filed and i had to report to the safety officer to explain what happened. I had explained the story above to him. He was very nice about the whole incident as i felt like a complete and total idiot having flown for many hours and this has happened.</p> <p>He explained that we are all human and things like this happen, but also explained that this is no little matter, since i was conducting a VFR flight it can be considered a slap on the hand, but if this was an IFR flight, the consequences would be dire. The reason for this is that legally IFR flights are required to maintain a listening watch with on the applicable frequencies for a couple of reasons.</p> <p>firstly is that IFR flights due to them mostly operating in cloud without outside visual reference, need to be closely monitored and position verified with ATC so that in the event of an accident in which the aircraft does not report back or problem requiring the aircraft to divert, ATC can better facilitate them knowing where there position is weather be under radar or outside radar coverage. This allows fast SAR deployment to the area in which the aircraft is thought to be in order to better the odds of finding the aircraft or allows the pilot to be given options on aerodromes, terrain information or other likely places in the area that can help the pilot in event problems.</p> <p>The second is traffic separation and avoidance. ATC can provide traffic information and usually separation depending on class of airspace to IFR traffic from other aircraft operating in the vicinity.</p> <p>for these reasons i have been told, that listening watch should be maintained on ATC control frequencies, if you need to listen to a weak ATIS, either get closer to the station or turn the volume to full noise, lower com 1 volume to which u can still hear transmissions quietly so that u can attend to them while listening to ATIS.</p> <p>thanks</p> <p>dagger 20</p> 
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